Post by naturerules1 on Feb 12, 2006 12:28:18 GMT -5
Hi again Everyone! I have heard that Walmart of all places kind of cater to Bush people...But do they carry large cans of dehydrated food, like fruit, butter, cheese. I cannot live with out my cheese and butter...Until I can get my goats and start making these things I will have to rely on what I carry in...If not walmart, anywhere else? ...somewhere in the Anchorage area. Thanks so much Cynthia and Robert
Post by Washkeeton on Feb 12, 2006 14:02:12 GMT -5
I also would love a local supplier of dehydrated foods in at least the number 10 cans. Vegies, butter, milk, cheese, fruits, etc. I have a couple of net suppliers but would rather shop local. I know that Sams and Costco neither one cater to the bush folk in those respects. Any one? Inquiring minds want to know.
There was a place about 10 yrs ago that I knew of in fairbanks that had the #10 cans of things like vegies, and fruit etc. It was a cloths store. I will have to have one of my fairbanks pals go look and see if it they still carry the cans or not and see if they are the same cans that were there when I was 10 yrs ago. lol ;D
You can get lots of stuff at Fred Meyer. The one on Muldoon in Anchorage does most of the bush orders, and have been pretty accomodating. You can get organic things, as well. We mostly get grains there ---- organic oats, corn (or corn meal), rye, and wheat. Last time we ordered with them, they give a 10% discount if you buy in bulk (whole bags of say 25 or 50 pounds). If you call them to get the order pulled and delivered for you, they charge 10% plus $10 delivery. For us, it's worth it not to have to fly into town to do the shoppig.
We used to order direct from Bob's Red Mill. Very good prices, especially if you buy in bulk. But, now the shipping makes the prices way higher than you pay in Anchorage.
We get lots of stuff from Linford of Alaska. They're a baker supply company in Anchorage ---- 1-800-355-8905 or 1-907-272-5050. They have a web site, but can't remember it. Just type in Linford of Alaska and you should find it. They have the best price I've found for butter. I get the 36 pound boxes of "butter prints", which are 1 pound each (not the quarters like you usually find in the stores). YOu can get it in the quarters, but costs more. They also carry grains, spices, meats, cheeses, and just about anything else you can think of. Molasses, honey, syrup, powdered milk, lard, oils, all different kinds of cocoa, etc. I don't usually buy canned veggies and fruit, but I would think they carry them.
We just got 2 more boxes of butter. In the summer, we had been pretty much doing without, but a few years ago I learned about canning butter and cheese. VERY easy to do. Never tried dehydrated butter or butter powder, but canned cheese is sooooooo much better than the powdered stuff. I'm in Anchorage now, and can't remember exactly how I do it, but I'll post it when I get home. When I did my butter, I didn't know about shaking it while it cools, so mine separated. Learned that tip on Pipedream's site.
On the cheese, I just got a bunch (not organic, unfortunately) from Costco. Will can it when I get home. Again, can't remember exactly how I've done it in the past, but I think I just melted the cheese, then poured it into sterilized canning jars, then put on the sterilized lids, screwed the bands on. I did a boiling water bath for 15 minutes, I think. Maybe only 10 since the jars are sterilized. I'll have to look up my recipe. Anyway, keeps a long time ---- no mold. I've seen lots of recipes (all exactly the same) floating around the internet for canning cheese using Velveeta (sp) cheese. It calls for using canned milk and some other things. I'll experiment with powdered milk. I've read that it makes a delicious cheese sauce, really good in Mexican dishes.
I have a terrible memory, so, once again, if anyone is interested, PLEASE start a thread and ask me, or pm me to remind me. I'll be glad to give out "my" recipes for canning butter and cheese. Oh! just remembered. Going to try canning bacon, too. We used to buy canned bacon all the time at Costco, but haven't seen it anyplace in years.
Sorry, I know this is all off topic. But since you mentioned canned butter and cheese, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth. Boiling water bath is so easy and quick, I've done it on a camp stove. Beats the dehydrated stuff, IMO. But, the dehydrated is lighter in weight.
There is another baker supply place listed in the yellow pages in Anchorage, but never tried them. Couldn't find a web site. M & M Distributors 1-907-349-5941.
I just thought of another place. Prices aren't the greatest, but, cheaper than flying to town. We know some folks who buy all the time from Frontier Expeditors 1-800-770-5876 or 1-907-563-1836. I think they'll only sell to individuals if you live in the bush where there's no grocery store.
I recently checked some of the internet places for ordering in bulk. Found some great prices, but shipping is a killer now. Wash, would you mind sharing some of your internet sources. I checked Walton Feed, Internet Grocer, another bulk food place.
Oh, the place for powdered eggs is Honeyville farms. I think that's the name. Best prices I could find. Shipping in the lower 48 is only about $4 or $5 for any size order, but outragious to Alaska. If you think you'll want powdered eggs, get them and bring them with you. We don't fix them into scrambled eggs much. Mostly just use in baking, so we go through about 10 pounds a year for a family of 5. If you've never used powdered eggs before, that will just give you a rough idea of how much to start with.
OK, if anybody has other places they shop, I'd love to know about it, too.
Post by Washkeeton on Feb 12, 2006 21:44:10 GMT -5
If I might be so nosey to ask about what you pay for your wheat? I have a wheat supplier that I get fresh wheat she has shipped up here from montana. i grind it from there. I think she gets the organic wheat. Would be worth asking her. She gets two deliveries per year, one in the spring and one in the fall. She doesnt actually ship the wheat out but she does have folks come pick it up throughout AK and then the buyers pick it up from the distributors. I have gotten the spring-prarie gold, winter-bronz chief, pastry berries. I have gotten the seven grain and the seven grain rolled and the corn. I make my own corn bread and stuff from scratch. smells better and tastes much better. Love it.
I also have the internet grocer and walton feed. I was looking to them for some dehydrated vegies, fruits, and other stuff for my pantry. The sealed cans should last up to and around 5 to ten years. I would have them if needed after the initial purchase i would mainly stick with my own home cooked and canned foods. I am looking into getting goats so i can have fresh milk, cheese, butter. Would love to see your recipies for canning them. I have a friend that is canning them at her house right now. Funny cause I sent her the web site with the information and I just dont remember that. lol
On another forum we were discussing wheat grinders. I asked about the Diamant. I guess this might be the better place for that question since there are a lot of folks here with out the electricity. Does any one have one? With the different burrs can you actually grind fine and course and tell the difference? Lastly, yes it is expensive, I figure I will be grinding grain until I die and my kids hopefully will eat nothing other than that. Since they are metal do they last or do they break down and need to be fixed often?
Jenny thanks for the info. I will stop in the freddies in anchorage. Usually just drive past. Glad to hear that they cater to the bush folks.
Post by naturerules1 on Feb 13, 2006 6:45:23 GMT -5
Jenny, Thanks again for the info and yes i would be interested to find out more about canning the butter and cheese...I make a nice cheese sauce out of melting cheese with cornstarch, of course that cuts the taste just abit, but I suppose I can can it too! anxious for more info. Thanks! Cynthia
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back on this. When I was in Anchorage, one of my babies got sick the day we were supposed to fly home, then bad weather for a couple of days so we couldn't fly. Takes me a few days after getting home to re-group.
Anyway, on the wheat berries and whole grains. When the shipping prices from ordering from Bob's Red Mill, Azure, and others started more than doubling the price of things, I started getting whole grains (esp. when I wanted/was willing to pay for organic) from Natural Pantry. Then I found that Freddy's usually carries or will order what I want at a much better price. Seems like we paid around $24 for a 50 pound bag of organic white wheat berries at Freddy's, but it was about $35 at Natural Pantry. The organic rye berries were a great price, at least I thought so after looking around. As good or better than I could find them online, and didn't have to pay extra for shipping. Sorry, just can't remember the prices exactly, and my receipts aren't handy. I think a 50 pound bag of whole wheat flour from Freddy's was about $15.
We have some friends who used to live on the Kenai. We'd get together with them and place a big order every year from Azure. We'd have it shipped to the air taxi, then they'd drive to Anchorage to get their stuff. Worked out great, but now we don't really know anyone to go in with for that sort of thing, so it usually works out better to just get what we want locally.
Wash, are you getting better prices on grains from your supplier? We buy the organic berries when we want it for sprouting, but just get the regular ground grains for baking. Cheaper that way, usually. I still buy white flour from Costco just because it's so cheap, but really want to switch to all whole grains.
When I called the internet grocer and walton feed, they would only ship through the Postal Service, and said the prices were just under $1 per pound. That would make a $15 bag of flour cost $65! ! ! !
Oh, on the eggs, I gave you the wrong name. Here's the site: store.honeyvillegrain.com/ They also have powdered milk and lots of other things. You can buy in different quantities. Good site worth viewing.
Wash, I just clicked on that site you gave --- wholy living. Great site, and looks like very good prices. I'll look at it closer and call them. When I was in town, I couldn't find any decent peanut butter except in small jars at the grocery store. I usually get Adams at costco but they didn't have anything except Jiff, which is horrible tasting sweetened shortening with a few peanuts for flavor, imo. Unless anybody has a better place for peanut butter, I'll be giving them a call. We go through lots. HOORAY! Thanks for the site ;D
On Grain Grinders: We bought a Country Living mill from Kansas Wind Power catalog about 8 years ago, and LOVE it. We were considering the Diamant, but the price was scarey. I called Lehman's for more information on both. Fortunately, I got to talk with a fellow there who has used them both. He said that he and his wife had a chance to use both, since Lehmans used to sell both and let the employees try them. He said the Diamant was a little easier for grinding fine flour, but for the price, just wasn't worth it to them. He suggested running the grain through 2 or 3 times to get a super fine flour, and that it works great. He also said that since the Country Living mill uses a steel grinding head instead of stone that it doesn't chip and you don't have to worry about bits of stone ending up in your flour and cracked grains. We took his advise and have not regretted it. Grinding grain manually if you use a lot isn't the easiest thing in the world, but not too bad. The country living mill has a flywheel that can be attached to a belt, then used with either an electric motor or a bicycle if you don't want to grind by hand. I'd like to attach it to a bicycle someday. I've heard it makes the job much easier and faster, but without electricity or fuel to run a motor.
On cans, we don't buy much in cans, but in our cache with our wet summers we sometimes have problems with cans rusting very quickly. I read someplace that you can melt parafin, dip your cans, and they'll stay in great shape for many, many years. Anybody know where to get any amount of Parafin? Everytime I look in Freddy's they only have a pound or two. I get what I can find each time I'm in town, but still have only collected about 6 or 8 pounds. That wouldn't do many cans.
OK, now I'll look up my other recipes for canning butter, cheese and bacon. When I get them out, I'll post them. I won't forget this time because I came home with a good supply of all three and need to get them canned.
Post by Washkeeton on Feb 16, 2006 17:44:20 GMT -5
Parifin check walmart in their canning sections. As far as the web site I sent you somewhere there is an email addy also. Much easier. can you grind corn with your hand grinder? I wasnt thinking grains when i thought waltons for food, more for the dehydrated stuffs. Got to figure that it doesnt weigh that much in the #10 containers so the shipping shouldnt be that much for the dehydrated. I will continue with Wholyliving for my grains.