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Post by Anataq on Jan 28, 2005 23:55:59 GMT -5
Does anyone have experience setting fish nets? Also curious what the regulations are for non-natives set netting?? I am sure that it depends on the area, but I'm not sure what the subsistence regulations are regarding seting nets, especially in fresh water.
-Anataq
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Post by Chuck on Jan 31, 2005 11:00:10 GMT -5
The subsistence laws in Alaska are pretty much based on voting blocks not need. We are living in a fishing village with all public utilities and services. We have two grocery stores, hardware & variety stores, post office, and a paved road system. Any Alaska resident is allowed to put out a net for salmon or fresh water fish. At our homestead we have nothing; no stores or services and are not allowed to subsistence hunt or fish. I think the area you are moving to has subsistence hunting and fishing, however you need to check with the Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game. I would ask the local office, the information will likely be more accurate because they are the one who administer the laws out there.
Good Luck Guys!
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Post by Anataq on Feb 2, 2005 18:31:03 GMT -5
Thanks Chuck,
We will be located in Alaska's unit 9 and I know that subsinstence hunting and fishing is allowed. I downloaded the regulations from the fish and game site and now I need to dig in and read. Thanks a bunch. Have another question, but I'll post it in the Kitchen section.
Thanks again,
Ryan & Pam
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Post by Kristianna on Feb 21, 2005 19:37:13 GMT -5
The subsistence laws in Alaska are pretty much based on voting blocks not need. We are living in a fishing village with all public utilities and services. We have two grocery stores, hardware & variety stores, post office, and a paved road system. Any Alaska resident is allowed to put out a net for salmon or fresh water fish. At our homestead we nothing no stores or services and are not allowed to subsistence hunt or fish. I think the area you are moving to has subsistence hunting and fishing, however you need to check with the Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game. I would ask the local office, the information will likely be more accurate because they are the one who administer the laws out there. Good Luck Guys! Why are you not allowed to hunt and fish on your homestead? Is it the area you live in? It just seems so strange for someone to not have the right to fish and hunt on a remote homestead. It doesn't make sense. |
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Post by Anataq on Feb 21, 2005 20:43:55 GMT -5
Kristianna,
I think what Chuck is saying is that on his homestead he is not allowed to hunt and fish under subsistence regulations, not that he is not allowed to fish or hunt...
He can hunt and fish, just with different limits, seasons, etc. Subsistence zones in Alaska often allow rural residents to take more fish, or game, for longer seasons etc.
-Anataq
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Post by Kristianna on Feb 22, 2005 12:29:47 GMT -5
Anataq ~ thank you for explaining that. I truly appreciate it. That makes much more sense. I am just learning...and I guess it shows.
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Post by Chuck on Feb 22, 2005 16:12:11 GMT -5
I wish it were that simple, when we left our homestead there was no sport moose hunt and our unit was not designated as a subsistence area. We were under what is called Tier II, which is supposed to be a stop gap for subsistence users in non-subsistence areas. Unlike designated subsistence areas where if you move to an area it is as though you have always lived there. Tier II areas they go by "customary and traditional use" as defined by the courts. Tier II permits are on a point system if you don't have a history of hunting the area you can not get the needed points regardless of of the fact that you live there; someone living outside of the area who has hunted the area will get the points and the permit. Tier II has nothing to do with need, it came about from a series of law suit in the 1980's. It was totally defined by the judges in the 9th. Circuit in San Francisco, Ca. People who have no clue as to what living in the bush really is. Alaska HOMESTEADING Journal#nosmileys#nosmileys |
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Post by kasilofhome on Feb 22, 2005 17:29:02 GMT -5
we setnet for personal and dip as well. He comm. fished since he was 12. My husband is/was ( once its in a man's blood he's got to be dead a year before he stops fishing)
Tides are very important. and be prepared. just when you do not have time to clean fish they come. So do not put a net in the water and just wait till it time to turn. check the net reg. so as not to get too many.
I live by an area that allows this --- fine but the food bank should have a booth down their cause people will and have dumped fish in the near woods when they get too much to clean or need.
nice bear bait piles
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Post by Anataq on Feb 22, 2005 20:58:23 GMT -5
I don't know how it's enforceable. I am thinking that there are some who when faced with the decison to hunt for meat to feed ones own family, or starve, they're going to take the meat. I also think that a warden trying to enforce such laws in the bush might find himself being fed to the bears...
-Anataq
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Post by smwon on Feb 22, 2005 22:57:50 GMT -5
Ryan, I tend to agree with you on that. It is a shame it has to be like that too... but ya have to survive. Personally, I would only do as the rules and laws permit. I wonder if there is ways around these problems... there seems to be for most everything else! Although, I would try to raise as much of my own meat as possible, even in Ak...
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Post by Kristianna on Feb 23, 2005 6:58:49 GMT -5
Linda ~
why would you want to raise your own meat when you could hunt for meat? One of the main reasons I want to move to Alasks is so that I can have "grass fed" wild meats for my children (and the clean air, water, salmon, etc.).
Just curious about that. I also wonder if having livestock would attract bears and other predators. Does anyone happen to know that?
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Post by smwon on Feb 23, 2005 10:50:30 GMT -5
Linda ~ why would you want to raise your own meat when you could hunt for meat? One of the main reasons I want to move to Alasks is so that I can have "grass fed" wild meats for my children (and the clean air, water, salmon, etc.). Well Kristianna, one I like raising my own meat, but mostly I was referring to the post Chuck made about not being allowed to hunt and fish… or what I thought I understood he was saying. Besides, Alaska is beautiful and the air is clean; that is a very good reason to live there. Raising your own meat can mean they are grass fed as well. I enjoy feeding and caring for the animals and hearing roosters crow in the morning and the routine of milking. I would not be happy without these things...   I also wonder if having livestock would attract bears and other predators. Does anyone happen to know that? I am sure they would... I have very little doubt about it. When I lived in Arkansas, my chickens attracted bear. |
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Post by Chuck on Feb 23, 2005 12:50:56 GMT -5
I don't know how it's enforceable. I am thinking that there are some who when faced with the decison to hunt for meat to feed ones own family, or starve, they're going to take the meat. I also think that a warden trying to enforce such laws in the bush might find himself being fed to the bears... -Anataq Your talking about two totally different things; Alaska has always allowed to take an animal in life or death situations and defense of life or property. You do have to report it and do the paper work. As for using the excuse of feeding your family to take a midnight moose. I would be careful on that one if you have children, you may get by that one once, about the second time you will be getting visits from your local social workers then the fight will be on. As for hunting for meat there is almost always legal hunting of some kind. You might want moose God may give you porcupine thats life. Rice and beans are a complete protein and will keep you healthy, they are also cheap. Even though we have not been able to take a moose I have never had to hunt after dark. Also I don't want my sons growing up thinking they can pick and choose what laws they will obey. Agree or disagree with a law there ways to make change within the system. |
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Post by kasilofhome on Feb 23, 2005 14:25:21 GMT -5
Road kill moose is a common dinner food Down in Kenai Ak.
Our Church signed up to take care of road kill and everyone pitches in. Sometimes not much meat comes from an accident some times alot.
It may seem hard to imagine but there really are a lot of hungry people right here in the USA. Many of the churches down here work together and provide help. Sometimes a family phyically can not get their own game and this is a nice way to still have meat.
Our son really likes to sub. dipping but we could easley limit out It is such a joy to see him with a fish in his net. He is way too young to do this with out a parent. One thing we do is that the parents dip with a flagged net. this means that the net is opened and the fish just swim thru. The kid just thinks we his parents have no luck at fishing, ( I did get one fish last year this way how it stayed in is amazing my son "talked me through it and congradutaed me on my catch) little man gets all the experience and we are right there. --- Some times a kind person who is really interested in getting thier limit quickly will yell to me that my net is broke and needs to be fixed. It must seem odd to see someone fishing hoping not to get a fish.
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Post by smwon on Feb 23, 2005 15:02:18 GMT -5
I don't know how it's enforceable. I am thinking that there are some who when faced with the decison to hunt for meat to feed ones own family, or starve, they're going to take the meat. I also think that a warden trying to enforce such laws in the bush might find himself being fed to the bears... -Anataq Besides Anataq... there are stiff penalties for hunting and fishing without permission or tags, there are in most states anyway. I would rather do what is legal myself, and as Chuck said, meat is meat... porcupine would do in a pinch. Hey what does porcupine taste like anyways? Has anyone eaten porcupine before? |
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