girls developing earlier and earlier

[sundew]

My "daughter of my soul" asked me about her 10 yr old that is developing. She is stunned! I was wondering about all the hormones we injest-milk ,and all meats that are avail in stores, vs children raised without any "additives". Ya think there might be a study that I could find. I just don't know where-what to Goggle.

The one's here that have raised their children without
any hormones - are your girls growing up physically early?

sundew

[Jenny]

Yes, those things you mentioned can play a major role in that. Also, soy is well studied, and is POISON ! ! ! ! ! ! Please go to the website for the Weston A. Price Foundation. I put a link to it under the "Interesting Lynx" section, or you can do a google search. You'll find lots of information related to your questions on their site (and lots of other great nutritional information and wonderful, healthy, simple recipes). The information on that sites very reliable. Also, I don't know if there is a link to this site already, but you may also want to visit www.mercola.com. Lots of information on early puberty in girls and boys, soy, and all the poisons like hormones and steroids in milk and most meat in the stores, as well as other health information.

Hope that helps,

Jenny
Alaska HOMESTEADING Journal

[sundew]

Thanks, am looking at both sites and will be sending my daughter some info I find. Isn't it scary to think of the dangers of soy, when all the health food stores, ads and such are nuts on soy.
To think how I am the weird one, refusing gatherings to go out to eat at restaurants and buying all the exotic foods that are found in the stores. Mostly all my food comes from around me.
More and more people will only eat what comes out of the stores, thinking they are safe and healthy.

Thanks again Jenny

[spirit]

Hi! I think soy is safe.Some of the different ways it is processed may cause some problems.I think if you grow your own,you'd be safe.You can also buy organic.I have a problem with gluten in products,so I use some soy products in my diet.I think a lot of problems with our young is in all store bought products that are not natural or organic.I don't have all the answers but I 'm learning as I go.

[longrider]

Folks let me chime in here and say that I really dont think the diet affects young ladies to such an extent.

I am what some would call a Biblical Counselor. It has been my experience that with 6 out of 10 in any given age group within a larger communal group (like a church or school) to be actively engaged in all forms of sex; I think the promotion of sex and all things sexual in every form of media including mothers buying their girls hot pants that a young girl has enough hormones within her that are merely "woken-up" and produced at a younger and higher rate than previously seen in earlier times.

I could be wrong, i just think its the culture around us that causes the change at such a young age. The kids all seem to want the change.

[Freeholdfarm]

Our culture is certainly promoting sex at a young age, but I don't think that is *causing* early maturation. It is much more likely to be the modern diet. I know we ate little store-bought food when I was growing up, and I reached puberty at about 13. We raised a lot of our food when our girls were growing up, including, sometimes but not always, our milk. My oldest started puberty at almost thirteen, middle DD just after she turned twelve, and youngest (who I really hoped would wait longer, as she's mentally handicapped) was still eleven. I suspect that, as the original posts said, hormones in our milk and meat, use of soy (which is NOT harmless), and too much sugar/white flour/processed food are causing the problem. Part of the problem is that so many people are overweight, and being overweight can cause early puberty by itself. Also, eating too many carbohydrates throws the thyroid and all the body's hormones way out of whack. (And causes overweight.)

Kathleen

[Chuck]

Kathleen, I so agree with you --- BTW, this is Jenny here. I do agree that the "culture" is horrible and really luring children into sexual activity much sooner, but I do believe the food and environmental toxins, including soy, have much to do with it. I worked with some doctors who told me about studies linking soy formula to early puberty in girls. This has many health ramifications for them as they grow older. My understanding is that the onset of puberty causes the growth plates to close, as a normal thing at puberty. But if girls are now reaching puberty at 7, 8 or 9, then they will stop growing sooner. It would seem that aging would be somewhat accelerated, as well. I think that has something to do with teenage obesity and other problems that used to be only in older populations. There certainly are more health problems today. Yes, more High Tech "modern medicine". But, in my opinion, I liken most of today's modern medicine to satanic voodoo. I know that sounds extreme, and it's a long topic with lots of controversy. I think what is happening today with "modern medicine" and all the "advances" like the "wonderful" soy, and pasteurized milk, and all the drugs. ----- I believe it's a perfect example of how the children are paying for the sins of the fathers.

The problems with soy certainly aren't limited to girls. Soy is associated with thyroid problems, mineral deficiencies, and a host of other very serious illnesses. And when infants are poisoned with it, the problems are sooooo much worse. Often the effects are not discovered until puberty or later. And you don't have to eat straight soy to suffer from it. As Kathleen pointed out, the food supply is loaded with all sorts of poisons. This topic could logically run into the animal ID thing, but I'll stop. I'm getting off topic. The whole soy thing is really a soap box for us. One of our sons supposedly HAD to be on soy. Anything else would kill him, according to one of the top physicians in the country, who I now know to be a complete moron! The soy almost killed him and is having long-term effects on his health, all because of the greed of people in the soy industry who have KNOWN all along that unfermented soy is not fit for human or any other animal consumption! The same holds true for vaccines and many other things the "experts" tell us are safe. All that junk is nothing more than a bunch of sacred cows that are destroying generations to come.

Jenny

[smwon]

I think Longrider may have something... and I think diet also influences. I think it is a little of everything. People live longer today too.

[Ted Clayton]

Hi sundew,

You raise an excellent & fascinating topic. These development-changes attracted medical & government attention, early in the 20^th Century, and there is a library of formal materials on it.

Soy-wise, in Japan and other asian places, puberty has been coming earlier, they grow larger ... and soy-use has declined.

Soy (and other plants) do have "flavonoids" or "isoflavonoids" that rememble our estrogen hormone, but they are significantly different, and importantly they interact quite differently with our hormone-receptors in the cell-walls. Specifically, they appear to 'interfere' with the receptors, resulting in an overall reduced sensitivity to estrogen.

Soy protein ("TVP") is so heavily process that it bears the same resemblance to soy beans that C&H Sugar bears to beets or cane. To get the oil out of the ground beans, they use hexane as a solvent. Hexane is one of the main hydrocarbons of gasoline. Yuck!

But for all the 60-80 years of noticing & studying (and arguing), there is no consistent or solid answer on the question, why are kids hitting puberty earlier, and why are many families producing taller offspring, generation after generation.

You can find example-populations where diet-factors have gone in opposite directions, yet the same effects are seen. I now agree with those who say that social and psychological factors are playing a large role. That's still 'scientific heresey', but cracks are appearing in the edifice.

If you would like references to papers and technical pages on this stuff, I can put together a collection of links on it.

Ted Clayton

[kimberly]

Another great website for information (and some fun, but true cartoons) is www.newstarget.com/ It has a lot about chemicals and man made things in food and many other health topics.