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Post by smwon on Feb 9, 2005 22:22:20 GMT -5
Subsistence laws, what is this all about. If I recall when we lived in Ak we didn't have this, only natives did... please tell me more.
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Post by UgashikBob on Feb 27, 2005 15:14:56 GMT -5
Swmon: fter twenty some years up here I still ask myself that question all the time. I'll try to give my answer without getting to emotional. We live in an area that is under a TierII draw permit system for Caribou. This system is designed to give preference to rural residents based on the cost of goods like food and fuel. You are given points based on a questionnaire about where you live and where you buy your food and fuel and how many years you and your family have used meat from game taken from the unit you are applying for. A lot of thought went into trying to make it a fair system to allocate a resource that is not abundant enough to allow everyone access. Looks good on paper but I have seen abuse. I still have access to the State's mainframe and have seen the mailing list for the Tier II winners that received permits at an Anchorage address. My wife and I haven't had a permit for two years but we handicapped ourselves by telling the truth on the application. I refer to it as loosing at the liars contest because the application data is a nightmare to validate and enforce. In our area non natives can get a subsistence set net permit with the only qualification being year round residency. Any person that knows his or her way around the system can also acquire a permit and I know of several from urban areas that have abused the privilage. We have had the permit for over ten years but haven’t used it the last five because we catch all the fish we need with a fly rod without breaking any sport fishing regulations. I maintain the subsistence net permit every year in case it becomes a grandfather issue. Besides the condo commandos abusing the privilege a lot of the catch from the subsistence nets find their way each year into commercial fishing harvest. A high percentage of the Bristol Bay fishermen are non-residents of Alaska and even more are not residents of Bristol Bay but they easily acquire subsistence permits. I’ve seen crab boat owners with assets in the millions fill there bait lockers from subsistence nets. You have to ask yourself what the real intent of the subsistence rules were after seeing these things. A common denominator I see in a lot of the things I mentioned is greed. I could pose some very strong arguments from both sides of the coin about who should receive preference on fish and game but it would only be my opinions and I doubt if it would change anything
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Post by smwon on Mar 1, 2005 2:37:59 GMT -5
Well UgashikBob... that was a pretty good explanation you gave. Laws are like that aren't they? So many think law and rules are either made to be broken or if not broken abused to the point that they almost don't even exist... just makes it hard on us that are honest.
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Post by wolfwoman on Nov 19, 2005 22:25:31 GMT -5
Bob, I haven't seen it explained any better than that. Sam and I have tried to get the Tier II also, but like you, we told the truth and didn't get it, while those that are only 'summer weekenders' here in Chickaloon were able to get it. Wolfie
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Post by smwon on Jul 14, 2006 12:29:02 GMT -5
So if I moved to Alaska and became a resident... I could get a permit?
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Post by ugashikrobert on Jul 19, 2006 9:23:05 GMT -5
smwon: The way I understand the system is if you moved to AK and waited the full year to become a legal resident you could apply for Tier II permits. If you told the truth on the application you would be handicapped by longivety issues on several of the questions. Older people that have lived and hunted in the area for all there life are more likely to draw the permits. For example in our area when there were Tier II caribou permits my bride and I couldn't qualify with over twenty years of hunting in our unit because there were hundreds of people that claimed they had lived and hunted here longer. Some of which were not even residents of the state let alone the unit. Hence the term liars contest. Depending on who issues the permits you should be able to get a subsistence set net permit if you live year round in the area you apply.
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Post by smwon on Jul 19, 2006 22:41:18 GMT -5
Thank you Robert...
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